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Bassnectar at EDC - Vava Voom Tour 2012Lorin reopens the Fan Bass vault and answers a classic question about performing and DJing that has been the subject of much recent internet hype waffle:

QUESTION: Hey Lorin – I’ve always wondered, and I think I speak for a lot of people when I ask this, but what exactly do you do on stage when you’re performing live? A lot of people argue that electronic music is nothing more than a DJ pushing buttons and that it takes “no skill.” I always tell them it is much more than that – obviously it takes skill to produce everything that you have, and I feel like your shows do in fact involve much more than just pressing play and pretending to mess with knobs, but could you please elaborate on how you actually do perform? I think that a lot of people are also curious. Keep spreading the word brotha!!! – kidonwheels

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This is a long answer. And yet I feel I am leaving a lot out. It is a complex issue, and I considered posting a 1,438 part tweet but this seemed like a better approach, so here are my thoughts on it:

Personally, i have a really technical style of DJing, and a very aggressive/interactive approach to playing a set: i like to get my hands dirty, take risks, and steer people on a powerful journey. I am constantly pushing myself beyond my comfort zone, expanding the boundaries of how to make people freak out and lose their minds. I work 20+ hours every week of the year on new content, new effects and new techniques. I view DJing as an art, and quite frankly as an honor, to perform for a captive audience in a world of short attention spans and overstimulation. During a set I work nonstop, frantically combining unlimited loops & sounds & samples & effects into customized “live remixes” . I also get the fuck down, I let myself dance and enjoy the music the same way I do when I am at home working in the studio: i LOVE music, and I have been producing, remixing, sampling, synthesizing, creating, and DJing for over 15 years. Most people love music, I think. But a lot of today’s DJs are getting by with the bare minimum, and there is a lot of confusion about what is really going on. Are DJs just “pressing play”? What does that mean? Is it bad?

To really understand the hot topic of “button pushing” let’s get clear about several things:

1. What is the definition of a “DJ”?
2. The difference between “mixing” and “selecting”
3. What is happening up on stage during a DJ set?
4. What is “live” VS a “live experience”?
5. What is all the fuss about?

1. Definition
The verb to “DJ” means you are playing music; broadcasting it for someone else to enjoy. That’s it. It doesn’t mean you are curing cancer, it doesn’t mean you are playing guitar in a rock band. However, just like the verb “running” there are a million ways to do it. You can run a race, you can run in place, you can run to escape danger, you can run towards someone you love, you can run for fun, you can fake-run, you can run on a treadmill, you can run up stairs, you can modify your run and skip or sprint or gallop or moonwalk. There are a million ways to run, and a million reasons for running. Same with DJing. There are a million ways to DJ (a small sound system at a house party, a playback set on the radio, a simple showcase of music you wrote for a special occasion, a seamless mix of your favorite songs, etc). What matters to me is the experience of those in attendance, how delighted/moved/stimulated/pleasured they are. That said, I am a fanatic when it comes to pushing the limits of creativity, and always throwing more “ingredients” into the pot.

2. Mixing vs Selecting
Before you have any songs to mix, you have to select which songs to play. Specifically in the heat of each moment, you can choose to play any song in the universe, but what is the PERFECT SONG for each specific circumstance? There is no right answer but the proof is in how the audience responds. Some people have such meticulously developed sonic preferences and style, that the act of selecting the right songs and the perfect order/sequence of songs truly is an authentic form of art. There is an acute sensitivity required to balance out the different personalities within a crowd (the larger the crowd, the more conflicting the tastes & preferences) from balancing the masculine & the feminine, the hard & the soft, the ugly & the beautiful. And that’s where mixing comes in: how do you mix from one song to the next? Is it a fluid, inaudible transition (almost trance inducing because you cease to notice that time is passing or that songs are changing from one to the next)? Or is it flashy and jarring and high impact (like in traditional hip hop mixing where each mix is a performance, and there is a big wow factor at play)?
People can mix percussively (matching beats) or melodically (matching melodies) or sometimes they mix various components of songs (a beat from one song, vocals from a different song, etc). And of course, the spectrum of “mixing” is so broad, it is impossible to define every possibility or approach. Sometimes the best thing you can do is just let a song PLAY, and not pollute it with a bunch of additions or interference. And sometimes the opposite is true: a mix can be so interactive that you are juggling multiple components, and physically producing a live sequence on the fly; in essence creating new live music. You can sample sounds that already exist (pre-recorded) or you can produce noises and sounds in the moment. Combining everything into a seamless mix thus becomes excruciatingly involved and complex.

3. What is happening?
On stage, a person might be “mixing” a seamless set (a “continuous mix”) of songs (pre-recorded songs on a CD, a record, an mp3, etc) or they might be standing up there faking it (in essence playing “air guitar” or sonically lip synching) or they might be in between mixes (just enjoying the music and the moment) or waiting to make the next move, or they might be focused on showcasing a song and less focused on technique. The most basic form of DJing i can imagine is playing one song at a time, and stopping in between each track to announce or credit the song (like on the radio). It is still a mix, but it is not continuous. There is a great level of detail within a continuous mix, meaning there is a vast spectrum of interactivity, from doing the bare minimum, to really pushing boundaries and even making true art. On stage you could have 4 different “DJs” all standing in front of a lighting rig with their hands in the air, pretending to mix; or you could have one human being working relentlessly to mix a perfect seamless musical journey; or you could have a technical genius performing technical acrobatics like scratching or cutting, etc. And sometimes a song hits so perfectly, all i want to do is dance or just feel the bass rattling my body, and the audience can feel when you are enjoying yourself. It is important to let yourself go, be natural, and have fun.

4. What is “live”?
In today’s digital world, almost anything can be virtually synthesized or bootlegged or reproduced. Piracy is a huge problem for the music industry and the movie industry, but what cannot be mass-pirated is the EXPERIENCE of being in a room with hundreds of other humans. This experience is enriched by being in the same room as an artist you enjoy, as well as being treated to state of the art production, lighting, video, multimedia (Music + People + Big Sound System = Fun). Everyone knows the difference between listening to a song on a great stereo system, vs on crappy laptop speakers. And it only gets better when there is a massive, perfectly tuned concert-grade sound system, which broadcasts the music in the way it was intended to be heard and felt. At the end of the day, this live experience is more important than what is happening on stage. I have seen DJs completely fake their mixes, but the audience doesn’t know or doesn’t care, and is having the time of their life. And personally I have been working my ass off at times, blowing my own mind with how complex and technical my mix is, and all the while nobody can even see my hands or notice what I am doing. I may mix live, and interact with my music and my set to the full potential of what is possible with today’s technology, but the most exciting thing about “live” is all the different personalities and nervous systems gathered together in one unified group, and how all these separate individuals react, interact, and interplay.
*There is of course a difference between DJing (playing back songs in a continuous mix, no matter how complex or creative or interactive) and “live performance” where an artist or band is actually sequencing, playing live synths, incorporating live musicians, etc…it is a huge grey area, and there’s not enough time/words to address this topic currently. The point of this post is that even if an artist chooses to “DJ” and not “perform live” there is still a massive spectrum of how talented, interactive, creative, and technical he or she can be on stage. Personally I think of my sets as live remixes, triggering unlimited loops and layers and songs, and parts and segments and clips into a crazy, customized sequence; it’s more live than a typical DJ set (on the 1′s and 2′s) but I am not “playing music live” on a guitar or a clarinet or anything.

5. If you expect someone to do something in one exactly specific way only, you will probably be let down sooner or later. Any live guitarist you love is being heavily assisted onstage by guitar techs or stage managers or mixing engineers, etc. They might be plucking the strings live, but those strings are sending a signal through all kinds of “digital” processing, and if their string breaks they are probably being handed a brand new pre-tuned guitar so as not to miss a beat. Is this cheating? No. There is no cheating. Unless you claim to do one thing, and act like you are doing it, but are really not doing it (like lip-synching). This is where the issue of “button pushers” arises for EDM. When people are just “pressing play” on a turntable or a CDJ and then pretending to do things for the next 3-5 minutes while that song plays, then there is a discrepancy. There are many technical ways to produce a continuous mix, and if you are miming along to a pre-recorded mix or if you are doing fake-movements that don’t produce any actual sound, then you are being fake. If you put a ton of energy into producing music you produce, and then when onstage you simply want to play tracks for other people to enjoy, that’s fine! The problem is when you pretend to do something you aren’t really doing. People crave authenticity, and in EDM today, they are beginning to demand it.

There is a huge difference between producing/remixing/creating music in the studio, and playing it live for other people to enjoy… I can discuss that topic another time, but for now i would say the key is to enjoy yourself, be authentic, and be creative. It is an honor to be on a stage performing for other people! It is a thrill to contribute to their enjoyment and I don’t think it’s necessarily worth hating on anyone’s particular approach. I don’t wish to come off as negative by calling any one out, but at the same time I work so hard, so nonstop, and I don’t like to see my work or my art belittled by other people who try to do the same thing, but don’t put in the real work. Like I said, the goal is to give people a good time, and that’s what I focus on. But I am a mega-geek, so I like to nerd the fuck out. :)

I know people want me to get technical about my setup, and I will put together a tutorial. In the meantime, I walked through how I approach a certain mix on this interview I did for NPR.

CLICK TO VISIT NPR SITE
CLICK TO POP OUT IN PLAYER

Enjoy!
Lorin


  • Girl behind the chair

    Awesome explanation

  • http://twitter.com/ballatron BallatroN

    sounds like a fat response to deadmau5′s post the other day…

  • http://www.facebook.com/aaron.saperstein Aaron Saperstein

    Let this be known as the webster definition of being an EDM DJ

    • http://www.facebook.com/doc.strayngeluve Doc Strayngeluve

      I’m not sure he concentrated on being an EDM DJ more so just the DJ part…Purist vs Digital is still a different topic

  • George Wompington

    Great response to Deadmau5′s blob post. I think he needs to stand backstage one time and watch you do your magic.

  • BassCase

    you da man Lorin

  • Graham

    Damn Lorin. Great Breakdown. Really shows the difference between what you do, and some others. You’re explanation really gives some depth into other acts who do incorporate live instruments in their shows and helps me appreciate it even more. (Big Gigantic, Emancipator, Savoy, Archnemisis.) Again thanks for what you’re doing, and taking time out of your ridiculous day to throw your heavily weighted/waited opinion on this.

    Much love. See you in the ATL.

  • DieLawn

    …Or you could have referred anyone to your live set from the Playa!

  • Red_Box

    you still beat around the bush

    • ARK-nectar

      He offered an in-depth respOnse and addressed what he does during his live shows. He admitted to occasionally just letting the music play but he also makes live remix tracks. So basically you are either illiterate or you pleasure yourself to skrillex/ deadmau5. Sorry for the negative vibes but I hate when people go to an artists’ page just to hate. Bassnectar has always and will always be my favorite DJ. His music is timeless and I love to watch the progression of his music. Such a fucking talent.

      • kareful-kay

        You just wnt to an artists’ page and hated.

        • ARK-nectar

          i meant when people hate on the artist. i disagreed with red_box and then went on to thoroughly praise bassnectar. but hey good try :D

          • kareful-kay

            he wasn’t hating

      • Delvaago

        I think he did dodge the actual question here. Yes, he is “remixing” live, he “loops sounds, beats and whatever” but that is not a detailed description of what he is actually doing on stage. That would be the equivalent to a guitarist plucking and strumming.

        I think what people are interested in learning is what the process of “remixing live” involves. What sort of filters are being tweaked live?, what does the actual art of mixing involve?, how does one loop, and how does one incorporate samples live, etc.
        Loran is a producing genius and one of my personal favorites. His stressed point that the most important aspect of live performance is the audience itself shows how menial the majority of live dj sets actually are.

        • delvaago

          Lorin*…. sure i’ll get some pain for that.

        • bluntsandbazookas

          That like his secret, if you know how the details are being exactly done it changes the experience.

        • Currie

          Are you retarded or just acting like it?
          He explained what he does and will go into more detail at another time.
          Fark dumb people shit me to tears.

    • bassquation

      not really. he was pretty thorough. i got it.

    • Shmian

      He explained it loud and clear. He loops sounds, beats, or whatever to make remixed live sets on the fly. How is that beating around the bush?

  • http://seainhd.com/ SEAinHD

    the link to the POP OUT player only works on that NPR site.

    just add a link to this with blank target: http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=152780966&m=152815995

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=13955760 J Anthony Arabanos

    You never really addressed what YOU do up there specifically.

    • http://twitter.com/battlekat Mike Q

      he pushes buttons… specifically. ;)

    • mad

      then learn yourself to understand what he does

    • 40oztojake

      listen to the NPR interview. He he pretty much goes through step by step saying what he’s doing as he plays.

  • kareful-kay

    My guitar is not guitar-teched out when I play, just a 1/4″ cable and an amp. I get what you are saying though. It’s just that some people, who actually can present their talent live are being overshadowed by the talent-less people.

    • kareful-kay

      Why should the talent-less people get paid $$$ and the people who actually have talent that they actually worked for get paid sh*t.

  • NectarMau5

    Hell yea bro, your the man! I was just talking with someone today about shit like his and I was trying to get this kid to understand how much more to it there is, how much talent and creativity it takes to be a producer. Bro, your personality is so similar to your music, it’s fuckin sick, your just the man and there’s no what, where, when, why, how way around it. There’s just no way to get around it, is what I’m trying to say. Truly inspirational bro. Follow me on twitter @NectarMau5

  • Adonis

    Lorin you are so intelligent and wise, thats why you are my favorite edm producer/dj, on top of the mind blowing music you create. I can tell you work your ass off up there during live sets, and it shows. Your live sets are indescribably beautiful, complex, and soooooo much fun. Keep doing your thing, you are one of a kind in EDM.

  • http://www.ambmusic.net/ ambmusic

    Yea niceone Lorin, totally agree. To each their own – as long as they don’t start pretending to be doing something they’re not. Keep it up man.

  • CiDiuM

    proper explanation. wish more people could see it through your eyes!

  • C-Staff

    Hellzyeah, can’t wait for the more technical insight. I truly need to get on my ableton tutorials. …..also….any significance to this coming out the day before Forest (beforest)? i’im truly hopin ur plannin on layin down some seriously skilled scientific sonic selektin on us. Show’em how it’s done Lo-fi. cya in the woodz and at bisco. bring the flaaamez

  • http://www.facebook.com/doc.strayngeluve Doc Strayngeluve

    I’m pretty sure you should add Columbia S.C. to your schedule man….just saying

  • http://twitter.com/djbtips Ike Tips

    I left that 1500 word essay with not a clue as to how you perform live bro. Ableton? Serato? Hardware? No more psychobabble…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501355149 Danielle Palmer

      Ableton

  • chicagobeatfreak

    loved loved loved the NPR interview.

  • DJ Daddy James

    Deadmau5 had a chance and he FAILS! He proved he is part of the hate and not the love. He had a chance to point out the artists like Basenecter, Glitch Mob, Infected Mushroom, Pretty Lights, etc… That have never and will never just press play. Instead he hated on some close friends that are all over the press. The fact that he did it in his Rolling Stone interview instead of helping give people that could use the exposure some recognition makes it a sad FAIL. If you can bring love to the room and entertain your audience, that is a performance. Who cares about the method, it’s the results that give you PlUR!

    • dee

      I had a fight with Deadmau5 on twitter he is nothing but an arrogant asshole giving canadians a bad name.
      Bassnectar will ALWAYS trump deadmau5 ANYDAY
      Lorin has more talent in his little finger then joel does his whole body.

      • Jeff

        i don’t know much about deadmau5′s music, but his mouse head is annoying. I was skiiing in Colorado and saw a guy wearing a deadmau5 head on the slopes and I simply thought, “What a douche.” Followed by, “How unsafe is that?”

  • Greg

    The whole point of saying that DJ’ing live takes “no skill” is because everything a DJ plays was already produced in a studio. You’re not up their playing the drums, you’re not playing the synthesizers on a keyboard or anything. You’re sitting on stage combining your already mastered recording. This post made me lose respect for you trying to make it seem like you’re doing anything more than that. But knowing you were into metal before this shit leaves some of it since I know you know how to actually play an instrument.

    • http://twitter.com/slugwurth slugwurth

      This makes about as much sense as saying a drummer or keyboardist has no skill because he isn’t DJing. A DJ is playing whatever his setup is, be it a mixer and turntables, or a midi controller and copy of Ableton. That is his instrument, and his skill at that is what matters. And I’m not aware of any drummers that can pack a dancefloor all by himself for 2 hours.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=587128101 Jake Filderman

      i think he did address it though… yes you are playing back already mastered and finished recordings… but which ones? what pre-recorded sequence of sound frequencies did you start with? which one did you play next? when did you make that switch? how did you make that switch? As with many things in life, the importance is not so much WHAT are you doing as it is HOW you are doing it and the kind of impact it has.

      • You’re a fucking moron

        Both of you geniuses miss the point. You’re trying to make it sound like that’s actually doing something. “But who knows which ones he’s going to play?! Oooh the mystery and talent in that live show’ He knows what he’s going to play. Because the shit’s already been run through the studio. Holy shit not having a setlist is crazy talent. There’s just simply nothing special behind a DJ’s live performance except it’s just their already processed version to their song that is slightly different in which they already know what they’re going to do. He’s not recreating shit in a live environment that he already hasn’t planned out in a fucking studio.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=587128101 Jake Filderman

          I’m really sorry you see it like that. It must be really hard to even enjoy the music and the experience with such a close minded view.

          • Greg

            No actually I really enjoy going to local shows of people that put a lot of effort into what they do. I can stand all music and support Bassnectar. But this post is stupid he talks a lot but says nothing when it boils down to the fact that he does what every other DJ does and tries to make it look like he does more.

          • http://twitter.com/slugwurth slugwurth

            There’s no changing this guy’s mind. Your conviction is admirable though. You should come back for the tutorial.

          • Greg

            I’m just tired of kids sitting on their computers acting like it’s a studio, playing studio recordings live acting like it’s a performance, and everyone saying it’s hard to do. Making electronic music at the level of Bassnectar, stupid hard. Playing it live, not. I love the music, but these live performances are worst than a Milli Vanilli show. In fact I’d rather see someone lipsync than sit behind their laptop on stage.

          • http://twitter.com/slugwurth slugwurth

            That’s fair enough and I’m sure that does happen. At the same time, performing live electronic music is more possible now than it’s ever been. Consider the skills of a turntablist like Kid Koala. I think guys like him are insanely talented. They put a lot of practice into what they do. Imagine putting that level of practice into a tool that can do things that will never be possible with a turntable. I’m just saying it is possible to perform this stuff.

        • http://twitter.com/slugwurth slugwurth

          I don’t know where you are getting this from. It’s true that you can do as little or as much as you want to do with the technology that’s available now. That doesn’t mean everyone chooses to go the easy route. Frankly, playing the same planned setlist over and over would be extremely boring.

    • mad

      and then somebody just don get it…

  • Frazier

    Awesome article Lorin. I really appreciate the in-depth explanations you laid out and I can sense your passion in your words. It’s so refreshing to hear how seriously you take every minute aspect of your set. Much respect. It’s also great to hear you directly rebuke deadmau5′s ridiculous blog without ever mentioning his name, while also framing him as the completely fake, disingenuous fool that he is. Thank you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bobby-Drabbstep/759732149 Bobby Drabbstep

    I want to hear what Excision has to say about this subject

  • http://www.facebook.com/carl.gantzer Carl Gantzer

    there is a massive difference between mixing and MIXING. you need to know where and in what points of the songs to bring another track in; AND what point in the song being mixed in should be at so the songs transition at the perfect point. AND that’s not even including taking the time to go through ALL your songs first and make sure your set is harmonically mixed so every song transitions like a dream. In addition, computer software can set all songs to the same bpm without any manuel adjustment, so a “dj” can mix a 128 bpm house song with a 140 bpm dub song without making any conscientious thought about what he has to do before hand to make the mix work. theres all these dj’s now that only can function with their computer, and in my opinion, being a dj, the artand fun of it, is to take two tracks and set them up YOURSELF, BY HAND. I know times are changing and you’re missing out on alot of functionality if not using computers, but in my opinion I think it’s taking away alot of what it is to be a dj.

    • Blunt

      very very true statement. I agree that a lot of what traditional DJ’ing is has or is becoming a thing of the past. I have a lot of respect for people who still spin their deck’s, but on the other hand time is evolving and so is the electronic movement scene. It has absolutely taken off over the past 10 years and is advancing at an astronomical rate. There is good and bad in that (the good – all the possibilities and new software packages ect… that let you create and play things in a realm people would never have thought possible 10 years ago. The bad – well, you can take this advanced hardware/software and just press buttons now to pretend to be what you are not). My 2 cents.

  • http://www.facebook.com/camrhodes21 Cam Rhodes

    Thanks for being human and explaining everything to us brother! Your interactions are greatly appreciated by all of your fans! I hope to someday see a camera filming your live mixing and relaying it on a screen (like they did for Araabmuzik at Coachella!) during one of your shows, even though your visuals are off the hook! I have seen you 5 times live and have no intention of stopping! Thanks for all your hard work it really shows! Btw, my cranium was rattled harder than ever at your LIB set this year, serious bass!
    -Cam

  • starcube

    You talked a whole lot, but said very little – a true politican-grade dodge of the original question, which you did not answer at all.

    What do you actually do when you perform on stage? What tools do you use? How do you use them? None of that was in your “inspirational high school essay.” Afraid to divulge “trade secrets”? Or would the truth hurt?

    • nod

      why people dont get it? fcking lazy people, just try yourself how the shit is done. Why artist need to explain themselves? if you want to understand just dont be lazy

    • Jeff

      interesting opinion: where do you perform in front of hundreds and sometimes thousands of people? I’m waiting…

  • http://twitter.com/itsEricLuke Eric Luke

    Really well written & informative. Thanks, rock on Lorin!

  • LUDA

    To the people complaining about how he didn’t explain how he actually performs he said that there will be more on getting specific about that and gave you a link to the NPR interview. This article was more addressing the controversy going on right now about how a live performance does or does not require any sort of skill and left off telling us he is going to get more in depth about how he himself performs.

  • Space Baron

    when joel posted his rant, sooooo many people posted it on my wall trying to say “Hey I got you! its all fake!” and I have spent the last few days writing extensive response essays, I even brought people into my studio (bedroom) to try and show them first hand, sooo many headaches. I cant tell you how much I appreciate this, I know electronic music is not for everyone, just as I am not a fan of black metal, but I can still respect the tallent and effort that goes into it. I cannot stand when art gets belittled, and hopefully this article will restore faith in producers/djs/musicians/fans across the world. thank you lorin

  • http://www.facebook.com/Adam.KahNukklZ.Pond Adam Pond

    Lorin, I make every show of yours I can. Jealousy cannot co-exist with love. Its that absolute and undying love for what you do that attracts admirers from all walks of life. Having had the luck of meeting you with my friends for the briefest of seconds, and seeing your sincerity and humility first-hand I can say that any negativity and confusion I read below can only be explained by self (even if unintentional) lack on the poster’s part. Performance in any form could never be broken down into an explanation. That’s why its performance. It has to be done. And it only moves one direction. Pertaining to your technical skill? Every show I’ve gone to of yours I have been taken off guard many times. I not only get to rage face, but as a DJ myself I always learn something. I go home with a mind in absolute chaos with new ideas trying not to be forgotten. And when I mix your music (or anyone’s for that matter) for people I don’t feel the slightest bit of shame, only a connection to the inspiration encapsulated in those few minutes of waveform, hoping to stretch it just a little bit further. I believe turntables and mixers to be viable instruments in and of themselves. The complexity of these tools surpasses many other archaic instruments, not to mention that these instruments will run away with themselves if not guided. And it takes extreme dexterity of both the hands and the mind to do multitasking on that level. Now computer integration has broken the money barrier holding back a sea of eager geeks. But even putting all this aside. The greatest symphonies in history were pre-written, and always had a conductor guiding tempo, volume, and unity of vision. Directing each and every performance into a unique experience for the audience, and leaving enough room for the individual’s internal imaginative participation. Djing IS an art all its own. Its the collective art of many. It is a performing art. It is an evolving art. Thanks for having both the love, and the balls to share it with millions. Respect.

  • dylan

    deadmau5 mixes live just as much as bassnectar does. I agree with lorin but i think Deadmau5 has some really good points, especially towards pop culture and edm

  • thetruth

    on twitter bassnectar said he doesn’t get deadmau5′s point. this is exactly what joel was saying. it doesn’t matter if you just push buttons or not.. just don’t fake it or pretend you’re doing something you really aren’t. honestly though i still want to know what lorin does on stage..

  • http://twitter.com/alejandratweets Ali Andino

    Very well written and informative, thank you for taking the time to explain!

  • Jordan

    Good read Lo. I just want to say that a lot of people mention he dodged the question, when I think a lot of you just want to know what he has taken years to learn so you can shortcut. Thats the problem now, the majority of software is pirated, songs are ripped from youtube, and you can sound like a pro with a hundred dollar controller with a built in sound card. I view it as I DJ full time and do a different set every time and I know people who knock out pre-recorded mixes for 2 hour sets and still refer to themselves as DJ’s. You want to see something that could make you frustrated check out Steve Angello on youtube, not hating but it can give you a better idea of where the “just pressing play” stigma comes from. All in all, everybody is getting in on the world of EDM right now. If you want to know exactly what he is doing up there aka software, controllers, mixers, etc. than investigate, Lorin isn’t here to give you advice on DJng or mastering your set, thats a place for you to explore and to figure out on your own :)

    • TMBree

      Well put! This generation has a sense of entitlement and wants everything handed to them. Research, investigate & experiment!

  • jgimmemine

    Word

  • tonynuhgooyen

    Lol deadmau5 can suck his dick

  • Boosh

    Excellent words, a live show is a new version (remix if you will) of the music. Brilliant dude, just spot on and truthful as to what it takes to be elite in EDM

  • @forevergrowin

    Bassnectar hustles harder

  • Trey1987

    Premixed Push Play DJs like Avicii are scared to death to have to actually DJ, whether it be using CDs or Serato Vinyl, so they diss the art of DJ’ing in the name of Technological advances. Superstar producers are not a new occurrence, until the very recent past a superstar producer had to learn the craft of DJ’ing to perform and make money on the road, the fans at a show would not stand for a artist coming onstage and playing a pre-arranged pre-mixed set, it’s equivalent of a band pretending to play and a singer lip synching there way through. People would not pay money to see it, It’s a fraud.

    Our DJ culture has given rise to the very infrastructure that now supports artists who play shows and pretend they are doing something other than standing on a stage, without the infrastructure of the DJ past, there is no present.

    The Push Play performers don’t want to spend time to learn the craft and are scared as hell to be caught by a thousand phones on video trainwrecking mix after mix :) , which is understandable…. half of these guys don’t even make their own tracks, but that’s another story.

    As someone who learned to DJ 8 years ago, I immensely enjoy the experience Bassnectar or a DJ like Excision (who can mix his ss off, no computer needed) provides.

    • Alex S.

      I see what you are saying, but coming from being a touring guitarist of 14 years, I don’t want to learn a new craft, i.e. DJing. I’m formally trained in music theory and have been working my ass off to make cool tracks in a DAW. I produce the shit out of music in my studio, but I still want the pleasure of having my music played out of a venues speaker system in front of a crowd. Is it really that much of a crime against electronic music If I prefer to not have to become a “DJ” in order to showcase my music live? I do understand that its amazing to have someone skilled to change pre-made songs on the fly, but I do put an insane amount of effort in the studio. Why should I HAVE to manipulate pre-made songs?

      I’m not bashing, I want a real answer. I want to “dj,” but my skills are in the DAW, not on a turntable or sample machine. I consider myself a composer/producer, not a DJ. What should I do?

      • http://davepermen.net davepermen

        everyone fears change. that’s why djs fear the change where it’s not needed to have beatmatching skill and basic filtering skill to be able to perform in front of a crowd.

        so in short: do what you like to do. just DO something. as long as your sound goes off once you plug out some cable accidentally, and not magically still plays with your laptop and mixers and midi controllers being off, it’s all fine. no matter what you do.

        i’ve dj’d traditionally for years, and i could not bother any less continuing to do that same thing. i like things to evolve. so i use newest technology to explore what old technique i can drop now (beatmatching), and what new stuff i can do based on this new freedom and possibilities.

        i remember where mixing with cdjs was an evil thing to do, vinyl it was. nowadays, same is for mixing with laptops. give it some years, no one cares about cds and mixing them anymore.

        evolution. it’s the best thing in the world. but it means, anyone who does not learn new stuff will at some point be outdated, his skill not important anymore. is that a bad thing? no, that’s the best thing ever.

        do what you like to do, and what sounds great. as long as you do something, all is fine. no matter what. really, it does not matter at all anymore. exciting times.

      • plurara

        alex sir…the poster was talking about superstar djs getting paid big dollars to stand on stage and do nothing, not bedroom producers like yourself. you prolly would be better off giving your abelton (if that is what u use?) laptop to one of your grandkids and teaching them all you know, u might produce the nxt porter robinson or madeon :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=593675787 Glenn Davey

        You don’t have to CHANGE anything. Just mix the tracks together well into a polished live performance. Selecting and presenting the music WELL is what DJ-ing is all about. The producers are the manufacturers and the DJ’s are the salespeople, making your stuff look its BEST. That’s DJ-ing to me.

  • http://twitter.com/battlekat Mike Q

    we’re all button pushers and knob twisters at the end of the day. its the narrow minded that don’t seem to understand there is a lot of thought and feeling that goes into that button pushing and knob twisting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ialienweb Mark Baker

    The harder an artist freaks out on stage and being frantic/borderline convulsive the better the music. This makes them more worthy of a higher paygrade and fan base respect as an intellectual in sonic mastery. Doing this will get one signed as an artist faster.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Young.Connor Eugene Lambert

    Lorin I loved seeing you at Red Rocks this year!!!!! You blew my mind and i havent listened too any other music besides yours since. You are a role model too me and i wish i could be as great as you. Much Love from Colorado
    Sincerly,
    Eugene Lambert

  • Blunt

    Anyone that has ever been to a nectar show knows that Lorin throws a lot of “curveballs” into his sets. Little pieces of songs changed here and there, little bits added in here and there, parts taken out here and there, and different effects added here and there. Anyone that has listened to his CD’s and then gone to a show will notice a difference. And of course there are always the songs that he plays only at shows (most get released at a later date or through mass media, but they are new at the time indeed (making me think of his zombie remix by the Cranberries). Anyone that has seen him play multiple shows back to back knows that his set changes constantly; whether it’s the order he plays the songs in or the songs completely.

    Also – understanding Ableton has a lot to do with it. The program can most certainly be used live and with mappings from guys like Ill Gates they are beginning to bridge the gap between traditional turntablism and EDM. But Ableton is a music production software (although it really is more) and that is where most of the work comes in (in my own opinion). You start off with a completely blank slate and create everything from scratch. Not only do you have to create the synths, drums, ect… there is the addition of the seamlessly endless amount of effects and effect combinations you can use to further change what you have created and give it a truly personal feel.

    And now with all of the various controllers like the APC20/40 it is further helping the live performance aspect when using programs such as Ableton. And don’t forget that traditional DJ software programs like Traktor and Serato are coming out with bridges that incorporate programs like Ableton, Citrus, and Fruity Loops to work seamlessly together.

    Just as Lorin said, this interview is about how HE approaches a mix, not what hardware/software he uses and how he uses it on stage. He did say he would explain that in another tutorial, which I can’t wait for. I have always wondered how you do it Lorin!

    • Blunt

      also, Lorin could have used this interview to talk negative about anyone he wants, but you never see him do that. He is all about his music, his style, and the joy it brings to him and his fans. He honestly could care less about what other people think about him and his music. This is what makes him so unique! Also, note the fact he uses such positive words as love, energy, and enjoying the music. No hate here!

    • http://www.facebook.com/ialienweb Mark Baker

      Agreed. In time this sort of discussion will be moot.

    • Nectarado

      Zombie remix owns

    • http://twitter.com/dnwest1044 david west

      zombies and pink elephants on parade

  • Mark Barton

    I freekin love u man….haters gonna hate…i absolutely love your live sets……my wall of 23 ticketstubs to the greatest shows on earth proves it….musically speaking..NECTAR HUSTLES HARDER!!! Always pumpin positive!!

  • VITAMINDEVO

    HELLS YEA! be you dude, be real, push yourself. thats all the “fans” could ever ask for.

  • Tyler

    people are ill informed. you have to know what songs will work together, you need to know when to mix the next track, even when to take out the track, and you gotta find the perfect use of effects (easy to over due) all the while keeping everyone engaged. There are plenty of shitty DJs out there, if it was easy they would all be good. people that think that is easy should try and start from scratch see how far you get with that. same with making the music. good luck opening up Reason and making a sweet track. there are layers upon layers upon layers that you need to get right.

  • Trusty Drusty

    I wonder if the reason we are seeing more “button pushers” is because of how people are creating the original tracks. People are premixing effects into songs and remixes so that, when the song is played, everything the DJ would need to do is done. This is not always the case and I’m definitely not trying to defend pressing play on stage, just trying to figure out how we came to this.

  • http://twitter.com/Space_Cash Jake L – ElectroJams

    Another reason to continue to suckle from the teat of the sweet sweet nectar.

    Seriously though, thank you for taking the time to really explain this for people.

  • pyro

    why do you want to know EXACTLY what he does onstage, and why does it matter? the point is the experience you have. Well written article Lorin!!

  • willy wonka